Destiny Hero - Doom Lord

[DTC]

Destiny Hero doom lord's effect CAN NOT be used during your opponents turn because it's an ignition effect:

You can use this type of effect just by declaring its activation. You can normally activate this type of effect only during your main phases. There are some ignition effects that have a cost to activate, like discard cards from your hand or tributing your monster. Because you can choose when to activate this type of effect, it's easy to create combos with them.

Source: Rulebook version 6.0 (from wind structure)

In other words because it's an ignition effect which is a spell speed 1 it's unable to be activated during your opponent's turn as opposed to a multi-trigger effect or any monster effects given a spell speed 2.

While the card says once per turn, it does not include a turn which you can use spell speed 1 effects, meaning an opponent's turn because it's only an ignition effect.

Also note that because a card says once per turn, it does not necessarily mean both you and your opponent's turn the effect can be activated, most cards (Strike Ninja for example) will normally say when the effect can be used during your opponent's turn, and currently only trigger effects and multi-trigger effects can activate during an opponent's turn depending on the activation conditions being right.


Just putting this out there. Doom lord's not that bad a card, i'm thinking of trying it out for shonen jump boston, but it's effect still can't be activated during an opponent's turn as it's an ignition effect.

[Nagatsu]

Thanks for the confirmation from UDE! However I think this should have been stated on the card to begin with and not the other way around. I will say that to people it is mainly meant for defensive control and not aggro so sped tards like Goliath who are basically lame shouldn't be playing this card in their decks!

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admin said:

Thanks for the confirmation from UDE! However I think this should have been stated on the card to begin with and not the other way around. I will say that to people it is mainly meant for defensive control and not aggro so sped tards like Goliath who are basically lame shouldn't be playing this card in their decks!

Exactly, it's meant more for control in the destiny hero theme, as the card really does fit the whole destiny hero concept to begin with. It's not a card that's supposed to be used on both player's turns so people start thinking "oh, that means no matter what monster they summon doom lord can just remove it." The whole point of giving up any means to declare an attack was so player's would use it advantageously and not activate the effect on their opponent's turn where you don't get a battle phase to begin with, that's just uber-spedified.

"oh i remove your monster during your turn."
"my turn, remove your spell/trap"
"Attack with a bunch of aggro monsters, game."

If the card worked that way it just creates a whole vortex of spedified decks, and throws any worthwile decks that actually take some thought to play right out the window. I also hate having to build decks that slap goliath in the face for being a dee-dee-dee about building decks and to try playing a deck that actually requires some thought. I mean even chaos takes more thought than.

Random Removal, ba-derp-ba-derp-battack.

Which is all his deck does, and he thinks he's good for tormenting little kids and ruining their chances, not to mention confidence each weekend. Dave doesn't even try to challenge himself. I'd like to see him go to a tournament in mass, regional, shonen jump, hell let's make it even a small local. He wouldn't stand a chance.

[Nagatsu]

My point exactly I remember Doom Lord being good but not this good I mean I never personally played the card ( prefer Fiends and Lunar Alignment Decks ) but because of the wording on the card it is too vague on what it truely does. Also on the UDE site it is not very good explanation so I kinda had to go by what the card said. However with this on the Store's Forum it should get the word out to everybody that does log into this site. ( average of 100 or so visitors every can't understand why they can't become a member ) About the comment about Goliath I think it is f**king bullshit that a guy in his mid twenties is still playing in local tournaments and has such a mertard spedified deck in all my 10 or so years of playing the game. I mean come on when you brag about being an insane and when everybody knows the truth is that you play against beginners and small children. As Yankeefiend's mother so eloquintly put " I don't understand a f**king adult like you is playing in tournaments where only children are playing you make me sick!" I mean I play the game as well and you don't see me playing in tournaments (rule against judges playing in the tournaments they are running but besides the point" it is just stupid and weak that an adult has to stoop that low to have confidence in themselves to play a game. This I guess is why BC was considered a sped.

[DTC]

it's not that adults playing the game is bad, more that some adults get off to playing younger kids instead of challenging themselves. There's plenty of adults that are good playing at the regionals, but Dave just goes to beat all of the kids down and seems uninterested in the idea of playing people his age, or at least at the same age level in terms of understanding strategy in the game because there are good players that are in their younger years, and there are older players, such as dave, who are terrible players.

I'm glad the doom lord issue wasn't correct because if everyone started running 3x doom lord in their decks, even if it didn't really fit the theme, it would cause the game to become really unfun for a while.

[Nagatsu]

Still even with these revisions and the death of Chaos, I have a bad feeling that this card may be restricted down to two simply people will be looking for a way to have their dead decks main card back!

[onizapper42]

I am f**king surprised you guys didn't already know this but having looked at the english version I can see why!

[Nagatsu]

I HAD MY SUSPICIONS ABOUT THIS ONE BUT DIDN'T HAVE TIME IN MID TOURNAMENT TO SPEND 10 OR SO MINUTES ON THE CARD AND I HAVE TO MAKE AN INSTANT RULING BASED ON CARD TEXT UNTIL LATER I CAN CHECK AND GET THE INFORMATION. I DON'T HAVE IF YOU GUYS DISAGREE WITH A RULING BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND FROM THIS POINT OF VIEW AS WELL AS THE FACT MOST PEOPLE THROW TANTRUM BECAUSE THEY DON'T GET THE RULING THEY WANTED OR THEY TRIED TO THROW A OLD RULING IN YOUR FACE WITH " WELL NAGA KUN SAID..." THIS JUST MAKES ME SICK SINCE THE RULINGS ARE THIS GAME ARE ALWAYS CHANGING AND IS SOMETIMES HARD TO KEEP WHEN YOU HAVE A LIFE!!

[Raven]

Sweet Jesus Christ...

BTB, I don't mean this the way Aardvark would, but uber-sped Dave NEEDS to go down to JWM(The place where the BC sped lurks and kids dare not go) for the sole purpose pf getting his ass whipped repeatedly until he learns derpa-derpa-derpattack doesn't win any game that you wouldn't have won with a deck with a SEMBLANCE of strategy.

FYI, if you, for some ungodly reason can't beat DerpaDave, play a Skill Drain/Final Attack Orders Deck. Somehow, a deck set up to help him in every way possible can kick his ass easily.

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admin said:

I HAD MY SUSPICIONS ABOUT THIS ONE BUT DIDN'T HAVE TIME IN MID TOURNAMENT TO SPEND 10 OR SO MINUTES ON THE CARD AND I HAVE TO MAKE AN INSTANT RULING BASED ON CARD TEXT UNTIL LATER I CAN CHECK AND GET THE INFORMATION. I DON'T HAVE IF YOU GUYS DISAGREE WITH A RULING BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND FROM THIS POINT OF VIEW AS WELL AS THE FACT MOST PEOPLE THROW TANTRUM BECAUSE THEY DON'T GET THE RULING THEY WANTED OR THEY TRIED TO THROW A OLD RULING IN YOUR FACE WITH " WELL NAGA KUN SAID..." THIS JUST MAKES ME SICK SINCE THE RULINGS ARE THIS GAME ARE ALWAYS CHANGING AND IS SOMETIMES HARD TO KEEP WHEN YOU HAVE A LIFE!!

Yeah, rulings and errata for this game change so much.

[Raven]

What about my post you pregnant dog!

[DTC]

Yeah Dave needs to get beat down, but that's why he doesn't go to JWM and instead picks on little kids.

I can beat him, just not all of the time, because I run shit that's control based, and derpa-derpa-derpaggro decks pretty much take down those decks.

Remember joe, I've never owned FAO, so i can't do that either, but skill drain does beat him, it's hilarious.

"I lost to your brother's skill drain deck, he got lucky."

My brother's skill drain deck was like:

2 Goblin Attack force
1 Majestic Mech - Ohka
3 Fusilier Dragon - the dual mode beast
1 Mask of Darkness
1 Magician of Faith
3 Giant Orc
3 Zombyra
3 Berserk Gorilla
3 Chainsaw insect

2 Nobleman
3 Fissure
1 Pot of Avarice
1 Graceful
1 MST
1 Heavy STorm
1 Premature
1 Snatch Steal
1 Confiscation
1 Scapegoat
1 Swords
1 Book
Regular DTC Spell lineup.

3 Skill Drain
3 Sakuretsu Armor
1 Torrential
1 Call


It was terrible, since we put it together in 5 minutes with random cards from my book, then dave's like:

"Yeah he beat me cause he's lucky."

No derpa-dave, he beat you because you suck and if someone goes all out aggro on you you'll lose way to easily, and my brother is good at playing aggro decks.

I play control stuff, so he'll just do something like:

Dust, mst, storm (even if he has more set spell/trap), nobleman of extermination, breaker, mobius your face down bluff, derpattack.

Next turn do the same thing with a different spell/trap removal card on my torrential/force, nobleman my facedown monster (trust me the times I do set he finds a way to NOC everything I set, EVERY TIME! ), derpattack.

Control is meant to control the moves of meta game decks, which is why control decks almost always are a lost cause against aggro, since I do heavy control, dave does heavy aggro it's just a lost cause usually. I should just run a deck that works more against his deck, I just hope that it's not at the expense that the deck doesn't give a good game against anything else.

[Aura]

T#at D3ck 1s pat#et1c.

[Raven]

What kind of Skill Dung is THAT?!?

And who the HELL beat me to the post?!?

[Nagatsu]

Lol you were dissed DTC by a newbie member!